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Patrick Bonneau
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Philips plastic RFID tags
Hi everybody,
Does somebody know a bit more on Philips Semiconductors' announcement regarding 13.56 MHz plastic-electronics RFID tags.
Nothing on their site…
A vague performance details paper presentation those past days at this year’s ISSC Conference…
Have they really left PolyIC (Siemens) abruptly in providing such polymer-based RFID tags two years before them ?
Or is it still “vapourware”?
When Philips is going to present us a working reel-to-reel manufacturing example of such tags?
If this is far to be publicly demonstrable, I hate those kind of announcements, as you’ll always find issues to convince your clients’ CIOs who prefer to wait for such technology, as on paper it stipulates ‘the best, the cheapest solution ever’…
How am I gonna calculate any eventual ROI with so little evidence…?
I still believe for such scenario in SAW chipless RFID tags; this solution works now and is really cheaper than IC tags.
Thank you for reading me.
Patrick.
- 10 Feb 2006, 05:01 am
Patrick Bonneau wrote: > Hi everybody, > Does somebody know a bit more on Philips Semiconductors' announcement > regarding 13.56 MHz plastic-electronics RFID tags. > Nothing on their site… > A vague performance details paper presentation those past days at > this year’s ISSC Conference… > Have they really left PolyIC (Siemens) abruptly in providing such > polymer-based RFID tags two years before them ? > Or is it still “vapourware”? > When Philips is going to present us a working reel-to-reel > manufacturing example of such tags? > If this is far to be publicly demonstrable, I hate those kind of > announcements, as you’ll always find issues to convince your clients’ > CIOs who prefer to wait for such technology, as on paper it > stipulates ‘the best, the cheapest solution ever’… > How am I gonna calculate any eventual ROI with so little evidence…? > I still believe for such scenario in SAW chipless RFID tags; this > solution works now and is really cheaper than IC tags. > Thank you for reading me. > Patrick.
Mathias Porten
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Re: Philips plastic RFID tags
Hallo Patrick!

In my opinion, this announcement is not really much more than vaporware. There's no polymer RFID tag to buy. (sources, unfortunately in German - don't know if it helps you: http://www.golem.de/0602/43234.html, last sentence: When the RFID chips should be ready for the market, Philips did not communicate.)

Furthermore, PolyIC claimed to be the first company, not Philips: http://www.eetuk.com/tech/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1....

Hope I could help you.

Best regards

Mathias
- 10 Feb 2006, 09:03 am
Mathias Porten wrote: > Hallo Patrick! > > In my opinion, this announcement is not really much more than > vaporware. There's no polymer RFID tag to buy. (sources, > unfortunately in German - don't know if it helps you: > http://www.golem.de/0602/43234.html, last sentence: When the RFID > chips should be ready for the market, Philips did not communicate.) > > Furthermore, PolyIC claimed to be the first company, not Philips: > http://www.eetuk.com/tech/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=179101698. > > Hope I could help you. > > Best regards > > Mathias
Patrick Bonneau
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Re^2: Philips plastic RFID tags
Hello Mathias,
That’s exactly what I was worried of.
I would like to thank you for your input, but as this kind of news adds to the complexity of our day-to-day work, in getting even more confused our clients who only start to grab the concept and the potential realizations linked to RFID usage, I’m not sure if I’m going to cheer you; just kidding…!
Effectively PolyIC has the right to claim paternity in such “plastic RFID” solutions; and I appreciated way back 2004 their professionalism (who said “evident, it’s a German company ?!...”) when they indicated the availability of such 13.56MHz solution for 2008.
Two years ago Metro was hard testing this technique which has evidently evolved.
I am not sure if they have definitely filed it or let’s say what is Metro’s actual views on it ?
Best regards,
Patrick Bonneau
- 10 Feb 2006, 10:53 am
Patrick Bonneau wrote: > Hello Mathias, > That’s exactly what I was worried of. > I would like to thank you for your input, but as this kind of news > adds to the complexity of our day-to-day work, in getting even more > confused our clients who only start to grab the concept and the > potential realizations linked to RFID usage, I’m not sure if I’m > going to cheer you; just kidding…! > Effectively PolyIC has the right to claim paternity in such “plastic > RFID” solutions; and I appreciated way back 2004 their > professionalism (who said “evident, it’s a German company ?!...”) > when they indicated the availability of such 13.56MHz solution for > 2008. > Two years ago Metro was hard testing this technique which has > evidently evolved. > I am not sure if they have definitely filed it or let’s say what is > Metro’s actual views on it ? > Best regards, > Patrick Bonneau
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Patrick Bonneau
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Re^4: Philips plastic RFID tags
Hello Dennis,
Thank you for your translation and your precise comments.
Working closely to the Americans and the Japanese I’ve been updated by Texas Instruments and a couple of Far East companies; strangely, they’ve been publicly quiet but are also working on those solutions.
I’ll keep you posted when I get more precise evidence of their works.
The Chinese, whom are investing a lot in everything touching RFID and wireless sensor networks, are giving me headaches in trying to separate the wheat from the chaff; still difficult to understand where each company is heading, even their works are far from being ridiculous.
Regards,
Patrick
- 15 Feb 2006, 12:30 pm
Patrick Bonneau wrote: > Hello Dennis, > Thank you for your translation and your precise comments. > Working closely to the Americans and the Japanese I’ve been updated > by Texas Instruments and a couple of Far East companies; strangely, > they’ve been publicly quiet but are also working on those solutions. > I’ll keep you posted when I get more precise evidence of their works. > The Chinese, whom are investing a lot in everything touching RFID and > wireless sensor networks, are giving me headaches in trying to > separate the wheat from the chaff; still difficult to understand > where each company is heading, even their works are far from being > ridiculous. > Regards, > Patrick
Joachim Keller
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Re^5: Philips plastic RFID tags
Hi all,

just in case you are still interested, some statements on this issue from my side:

--> PolyIC is still on schedule in terms of producing polymer based tags
--> PolyIC is going to present their solutions and WORKING samples next week in Boston during the "Smart Labels 2006" conference.

Best regards, Joachim
- 23 Mar 2006, 4:03 pm
Joachim Keller wrote: > Hi all, > > just in case you are still interested, some statements on this issue > from my side: > > --> PolyIC is still on schedule in terms of producing polymer based > tags > --> PolyIC is going to present their solutions and WORKING samples > next week in Boston during the "Smart Labels 2006" conference. > > Best regards, Joachim

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