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Andrew Lacy
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Der Unterschied
Ich wohne in München jetzt, seit ungefähr 7 Jahre. Dublin und München sind ähnlich. Aber es gibt auch ein Unterschied.

Windig ist es immer dort. Und es gibt viele Papieren und Müll auf die Strassen. Graue Volken und strahlende Sonne innerhalb eine kurze Zeit.

Aber ich vermisse die Freundlichkeit, oberflächlig, aber trotzdem wärmer dort als hier. Aber noch eine Zeit sind die Leute hier genau so warm, es dauert nur ein bisschen mehr.
- 29 Nov 2004, 11:55 am
Andrew Lacy wrote: > Ich wohne in München jetzt, seit ungefähr 7 Jahre. Dublin und München > sind ähnlich. Aber es gibt auch ein Unterschied. > > Windig ist es immer dort. Und es gibt viele Papieren und Müll auf die > Strassen. Graue Volken und strahlende Sonne innerhalb eine kurze Zeit. > > Aber ich vermisse die Freundlichkeit, oberflächlig, aber trotzdem > wärmer dort als hier. Aber noch eine Zeit sind die Leute hier genau > so warm, es dauert nur ein bisschen mehr.
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Re: Der Unterschied
Andrew Lacy schrieb am 29/11/2004, 12:55:
Ich wohne in München jetzt, seit ungefähr 7 Jahre. Dublin und München sind ähnlich. Aber es gibt auch ein Unterschied.

Windig ist es immer dort. Und es gibt viele Papieren und Müll auf die Strassen. Graue Volken und strahlende Sonne innerhalb eine kurze Zeit.

Aber ich vermisse die Freundlichkeit, oberflächlig, aber trotzdem wärmer dort als hier. Aber noch eine Zeit sind die Leute hier genau so warm, es dauert nur ein bisschen mehr.

As I read this article again, I find it sounds very negative or hard. That is NOT the way I meant it to be. I do miss the friendly chat that you can have in Ireland with someone that do not know at all, but meet perhaps at a bus stop. The meaningless chat that simply passes the time and brings a smile to your face. There is a warmth here in Munich, but it is not the same as in Dublin. Interesting as both have about the same number of people living there. As a tourist there is a difference. But when you live in either country, the warmth of the people can plainly be felt in either place.

But then there are SOOOO many other differences. I originally write this article trying to spark off a reaction. Did nobody dare? lol. There are so many beautiful buildings in the places in Germany that I have visited. There are certainly not many in Dublin. The Liffey (the main river of Dublin) stinks in the Summer because it is not cleaned. Can you imagine that happening in a German city?

Although there are approx. the same number of people living in Dublin and Munich (I keep on talking about Munich because I live there, this applies to many other places in Germany, but I know MUnich best), I find that it SEEMS like there are more in Dublin, because they are out on the street more.

Well I could write for a long time about the many differences, but maybe you can add a few differences you noticed? Or do you dare? lol
- 11 Dec 2004, 4:54 pm
Andrew Lacy wrote: > Andrew Lacy schrieb am 29/11/2004, 12:55: > > Ich wohne in München jetzt, seit ungefähr 7 Jahre. Dublin und München > > sind ähnlich. Aber es gibt auch ein Unterschied. > > > > Windig ist es immer dort. Und es gibt viele Papieren und Müll auf die > > Strassen. Graue Volken und strahlende Sonne innerhalb eine kurze Zeit. > > > > Aber ich vermisse die Freundlichkeit, oberflächlig, aber trotzdem > > wärmer dort als hier. Aber noch eine Zeit sind die Leute hier genau > > so warm, es dauert nur ein bisschen mehr. > > > As I read this article again, I find it sounds very negative or hard. > That is NOT the way I meant it to be. I do miss the friendly chat > that you can have in Ireland with someone that do not know at all, > but meet perhaps at a bus stop. The meaningless chat that simply > passes the time and brings a smile to your face. There is a warmth > here in Munich, but it is not the same as in Dublin. Interesting as > both have about the same number of people living there. As a tourist > there is a difference. But when you live in either country, the > warmth of the people can plainly be felt in either place. > > But then there are SOOOO many other differences. I originally write > this article trying to spark off a reaction. Did nobody dare? lol. > There are so many beautiful buildings in the places in Germany that I > have visited. There are certainly not many in Dublin. The Liffey (the > main river of Dublin) stinks in the Summer because it is not cleaned. > Can you imagine that happening in a German city? > > Although there are approx. the same number of people living in Dublin > and Munich (I keep on talking about Munich because I live there, this > applies to many other places in Germany, but I know MUnich best), I > find that it SEEMS like there are more in Dublin, because they are > out on the street more. > > Well I could write for a long time about the many differences, but > maybe you can add a few differences you noticed? Or do you dare? lol
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Re^2: Der Unterschied
So finally somebody writes in English. So good for a starter. Well I believe the Irish community in Munich is not so bad at all. Something like seven (7!) Irish pubs in Munich speak loud and clear... So what, it's all about drinking Guinness, and as long as it's from Dublin and brewed with Dublin water, we like it.

That's all I have to say about that.

Volker
- 20 Dec 2004, 10:56 pm
Volker Boelsch wrote: > So finally somebody writes in English. So good for a starter. Well I > believe the Irish community in Munich is not so bad at all. Something > like seven (7!) Irish pubs in Munich speak loud and clear... So what, > it's all about drinking Guinness, and as long as it's from Dublin and > brewed with Dublin water, we like it. > > That's all I have to say about that. > > Volker
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Re^3: Der Unterschied
Volker Boelsch schrieb am 20/12/2004, 23:56:
So finally somebody writes in English. So good for a starter. Well I believe the Irish community in Munich is not so bad at all. Something like seven (7!) Irish pubs in Munich speak loud and clear... So what, it's all about drinking Guinness, and as long as it's from Dublin and brewed with Dublin water, we like it.

That's all I have to say about that.

Volker
7 Irish pubs in Munich, but only 1000 Irish people living there. Some day there will be a Mc Donald's, a Burger King and an Irish Pub at the base of Mount Everest!

Have you ever noticed that Guinness tastes different in every pub you go to? It is more like a coffee than a beer in that sense. Something to do with the transport of the Guinness, the state of the taps and the tubes and how clean they are, how cold it is, etc. And of course where it is brewed. Guinness is brewed in England and in Belize and other places too, and it tastes of course different in each other place where it is brewed.

Andrew
- 24 Dec 2004, 12:18 pm
Andrew Lacy wrote: > Volker Boelsch schrieb am 20/12/2004, 23:56: > > So finally somebody writes in English. So good for a starter. Well I > > believe the Irish community in Munich is not so bad at all. Something > > like seven (7!) Irish pubs in Munich speak loud and clear... So what, > > it's all about drinking Guinness, and as long as it's from Dublin and > > brewed with Dublin water, we like it. > > > > That's all I have to say about that. > > > > Volker > > 7 Irish pubs in Munich, but only 1000 Irish people living there. Some > day there will be a Mc Donald's, a Burger King and an Irish Pub at > the base of Mount Everest! > > Have you ever noticed that Guinness tastes different in every pub you > go to? It is more like a coffee than a beer in that sense. Something > to do with the transport of the Guinness, the state of the taps and > the tubes and how clean they are, how cold it is, etc. And of course > where it is brewed. Guinness is brewed in England and in Belize and > other places too, and it tastes of course different in each other > place where it is brewed. > > Andrew
Björn Kleemann
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Re^2: Der Unterschied
Maybe I can give you some feedback - I am from Germany and am currently living in Dublin. Only for six month up to now - so I maybe don't have the long term experience, but it is certainly enough for an opinion ;-))

I hope I don't violate any forum rules with my first entry by writing in english and not in german, but I think everybody entering the Dublin-forum should be able to understand english.

Somehow I got the impression that your image of your hometown isn't the best after all so I would like to disagree a little bit.
You're right, the Liffey isn't very friendly with your nose from time to time - but have you ever been to Cologne ?
The Rhein certainly catches up with the Liffey on the smelly side ;-)) And so do quite a few other rivers in Germany.
I certainly do not agree that there are no interesting buildings in Dublin. Probably they are not as impressive as i.e. Neuschwanstein (which I don't like at all - but thats maybe because I don't speak japanese ;-)) but if you think of all those lovely Georgian areas around Stephens Green or Merrion Square - I think these areas can easily compete with any german town. And one big advantage of Dublin - the horrors of WW 2 with all the bombing and destruction never came here, so we can live in even from the historical perspective kind of interesting city.
And just think of all those architectural nightmares that were built in the 50's and 60's in Germany ...

If somebody would ask me now to go back to Germany, he certainly would have to pay an awful lot of money to get me back - if the offer is for Hamburg I might think twice, but for the rest - no way !!

And here are some of my reasons:
I have never been to a more lively city than Dublin, there is always something going on, people in the streets (the street musicians on Grafton Street are just amazing !!), millions of pubs and bars, sitting and chatting outside of Cafes and Bars until late night even in November (certainly a result of that smoking ban ...)
You might think I'm mad, but I love the weather - constantly changing, never really bad or even cold (palm trees are growing outside - try that in Munich ...).
The people are just so friendly - I am aware that it is just small talk most of the time, but it gives you a much better feeling than a grumpy german who hardly says a word - even when you directly address him. Even with a gun ;-))

Are you convinced now that Dublin still has a lot to offer - and that it can compete with any german city ?
If you like I probably can think of some more reasons why Dublin is a truly great city ;-))
- 10 Jan 2005, 5:26 pm
Björn Kleemann wrote: > Maybe I can give you some feedback - I am from Germany and am > currently living in Dublin. Only for six month up to now - so I maybe > don't have the long term experience, but it is certainly enough for > an opinion ;-)) > > I hope I don't violate any forum rules with my first entry by writing > in english and not in german, but I think everybody entering the > Dublin-forum should be able to understand english. > > Somehow I got the impression that your image of your hometown isn't > the best after all so I would like to disagree a little bit. > You're right, the Liffey isn't very friendly with your nose from time > to time - but have you ever been to Cologne ? > The Rhein certainly catches up with the Liffey on the smelly side > ;-)) And so do quite a few other rivers in Germany. > I certainly do not agree that there are no interesting buildings in > Dublin. Probably they are not as impressive as i.e. Neuschwanstein > (which I don't like at all - but thats maybe because I don't speak > japanese ;-)) but if you think of all those lovely Georgian areas > around Stephens Green or Merrion Square - I think these areas can > easily compete with any german town. And one big advantage of Dublin > - the horrors of WW 2 with all the bombing and destruction never came > here, so we can live in even from the historical perspective kind of > interesting city. > And just think of all those architectural nightmares that were built > in the 50's and 60's in Germany ... > > If somebody would ask me now to go back to Germany, he certainly > would have to pay an awful lot of money to get me back - if the offer > is for Hamburg I might think twice, but for the rest - no way !! > > And here are some of my reasons: > I have never been to a more lively city than Dublin, there is always > something going on, people in the streets (the street musicians on > Grafton Street are just amazing !!), millions of pubs and bars, > sitting and chatting outside of Cafes and Bars until late night even > in November (certainly a result of that smoking ban ...) > You might think I'm mad, but I love the weather - constantly > changing, never really bad or even cold (palm trees are growing > outside - try that in Munich ...). > The people are just so friendly - I am aware that it is just small > talk most of the time, but it gives you a much better feeling than a > grumpy german who hardly says a word - even when you directly address > him. Even with a gun ;-)) > > Are you convinced now that Dublin still has a lot to offer - and that > it can compete with any german city ? > If you like I probably can think of some more reasons why Dublin is a > truly great city ;-))
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Re^3: Der Unterschied
Hi Björn,

oh you are right. Dublin is good in some ways. I was merely trying to temper what I had said. In case it came accross as being very negative about Germany, which was NOT what I wanted. I just wanted to say that I missed the "surface friendliness" of the easy chat that you can have with some unknown person in Dublin. I experience it on occasion here in Munich, and am always surprised by it.

I miss the Irish breakfast and irish chocolate, and bitter orange marmalade on toast with salty butter, and a real creamy Guinness. But there is much that I love about Munich too. And much that I would miss if were to go back to ireland. I would certainly miss some of the breads from here, and a good Scheinesbraten mit Knödel or a Geschnetzeltes mit Spätzle, and lots more too.

I thought it might be fun to point out some of the differnces that i see and arouse a bit of comment ;-)

There is certainly good and bad in both Dublin and Munich. (again I talk about Munich because I have been here 7 years, I do not know enough about other German cities, although I must say that I found Hamburg very friendly, reminded me of home).

There's another funny thing. I often have to define what I mean by home. When you leave your own country to live in another, of course after a while you build up your routine and your friends, etc in your new place where you live. And after a while it too becomes home.

Björn Kleemann schrieb am 10/01/2005, 18:26:
Maybe I can give you some feedback - I am from Germany and am currently living in Dublin. Only for six month up to now - so I maybe don't have the long term experience, but it is certainly enough for an opinion ;-))

I hope I don't violate any forum rules with my first entry by writing in english and not in german, but I think everybody entering the Dublin-forum should be able to understand english.

Somehow I got the impression that your image of your hometown isn't the best after all so I would like to disagree a little bit.
You're right, the Liffey isn't very friendly with your nose from time to time - but have you ever been to Cologne ?
The Rhein certainly catches up with the Liffey on the smelly side ;-)) And so do quite a few other rivers in Germany. I certainly do not agree that there are no interesting buildings in Dublin. Probably they are not as impressive as i.e. Neuschwanstein (which I don't like at all - but thats maybe because I don't speak japanese ;-)) but if you think of all those lovely Georgian areas around Stephens Green or Merrion Square - I think these areas can easily compete with any german town. And one big advantage of Dublin - the horrors of WW 2 with all the bombing and destruction never came here, so we can live in even from the historical perspective kind of interesting city.
And just think of all those architectural nightmares that were built in the 50's and 60's in Germany ...

If somebody would ask me now to go back to Germany, he certainly would have to pay an awful lot of money to get me back - if the offer is for Hamburg I might think twice, but for the rest - no way !!

And here are some of my reasons:
I have never been to a more lively city than Dublin, there is always something going on, people in the streets (the street musicians on Grafton Street are just amazing !!), millions of pubs and bars, sitting and chatting outside of Cafes and Bars until late night even in November (certainly a result of that smoking ban ...)
You might think I'm mad, but I love the weather - constantly changing, never really bad or even cold (palm trees are growing outside - try that in Munich ...).
The people are just so friendly - I am aware that it is just small talk most of the time, but it gives you a much better feeling than a grumpy german who hardly says a word - even when you directly address him. Even with a gun ;-))

Are you convinced now that Dublin still has a lot to offer - and that it can compete with any german city ?
If you like I probably can think of some more reasons why Dublin is a truly great city ;-))
- 12 Jan 2005, 10:52 am
Andrew Lacy wrote: > Hi Björn, > > oh you are right. Dublin is good in some ways. I was merely trying to > temper what I had said. In case it came accross as being very > negative about Germany, which was NOT what I wanted. I just wanted to > say that I missed the "surface friendliness" of the easy chat that > you can have with some unknown person in Dublin. I experience it on > occasion here in Munich, and am always surprised by it. > > I miss the Irish breakfast and irish chocolate, and bitter orange > marmalade on toast with salty butter, and a real creamy Guinness. But > there is much that I love about Munich too. And much that I would > miss if were to go back to ireland. I would certainly miss some of > the breads from here, and a good Scheinesbraten mit Knödel or a > Geschnetzeltes mit Spätzle, and lots more too. > > I thought it might be fun to point out some of the differnces that i > see and arouse a bit of comment ;-) > > There is certainly good and bad in both Dublin and Munich. (again I > talk about Munich because I have been here 7 years, I do not know > enough about other German cities, although I must say that I found > Hamburg very friendly, reminded me of home). > > There's another funny thing. I often have to define what I mean by > home. When you leave your own country to live in another, of course > after a while you build up your routine and your friends, etc in your > new place where you live. And after a while it too becomes home. > > > Björn Kleemann schrieb am 10/01/2005, 18:26: > > Maybe I can give you some feedback - I am from Germany and am > > currently living in Dublin. Only for six month up to now - so I maybe > > don't have the long term experience, but it is certainly enough for > > an opinion ;-)) > > > > I hope I don't violate any forum rules with my first entry by writing > > in english and not in german, but I think everybody entering the > > Dublin-forum should be able to understand english. > > > > Somehow I got the impression that your image of your hometown isn't > > the best after all so I would like to disagree a little bit. > > You're right, the Liffey isn't very friendly with your nose from time > > to time - but have you ever been to Cologne ? > > The Rhein certainly catches up with the Liffey on the smelly side > > ;-)) And so do quite a few other rivers in Germany. I certainly do > > not agree that there are no interesting buildings in Dublin. Probably > > they are not as impressive as i.e. Neuschwanstein (which I don't like > > at all - but thats maybe because I don't speak japanese ;-)) but if > > you think of all those lovely Georgian areas around Stephens Green or > > Merrion Square - I think these areas can easily compete with any > > german town. And one big advantage of Dublin - the horrors of WW 2 > > with all the bombing and destruction never came here, so we can live > > in even from the historical perspective kind of interesting city. > > And just think of all those architectural nightmares that were built > > in the 50's and 60's in Germany ... > > > > If somebody would ask me now to go back to Germany, he certainly > > would have to pay an awful lot of money to get me back - if the offer > > is for Hamburg I might think twice, but for the rest - no way !! > > > > And here are some of my reasons: > > I have never been to a more lively city than Dublin, there is always > > something going on, people in the streets (the street musicians on > > Grafton Street are just amazing !!), millions of pubs and bars, > > sitting and chatting outside of Cafes and Bars until late night even > > in November (certainly a result of that smoking ban ...) > > You might think I'm mad, but I love the weather - constantly > > changing, never really bad or even cold (palm trees are growing > > outside - try that in Munich ...). > > The people are just so friendly - I am aware that it is just small > > talk most of the time, but it gives you a much better feeling than a > > grumpy german who hardly says a word - even when you directly address > > him. Even with a gun ;-)) > > > > Are you convinced now that Dublin still has a lot to offer - and that > > it can compete with any german city ? > > If you like I probably can think of some more reasons why Dublin is a > > truly great city ;-))
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Re^4: Der Unterschied
Hi Andrew,

actually I wouldn't say that Dublin is only good in "some" ways - but thats maybe just my personal enthusiasm about this city. And maybe things are different when looking at one's hometown ...

My view on what I call home is a bit different, it is more an inner attitude than a real place - but that is only because I haved moved so many times in my life that I sometimes have difficulties to put all the places in the correct order ;-))
So I simply call the place home that I am living in right now an where I keep my personal stuff -and of course home is where my wife is ...
To be honest I never really understand the people who live abroad for even much longer than I do and still keep calling the place they originally come from "home". Where is the point in that ?
If I don't like it where I am right now I should either go forth to somewhere else or go back where I came from. But for me there is no point in making a difference in "real" home and "infelt" home -I would really prefer to have those two homes in one place rather than two - or even more ...

Are you sure that you miss the irish chocolate ?
I mean you are so close to Switzerland and all the tasty chocolate they make and you still miss the irish ones ?
Nothing compares to childhood memories I suppose ...

Cheers
Bjoern
- 17 Jan 2005, 5:31 pm
Björn Kleemann wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > actually I wouldn't say that Dublin is only good in "some" ways - but > thats maybe just my personal enthusiasm about this city. And maybe > things are different when looking at one's hometown ... > > My view on what I call home is a bit different, it is more an inner > attitude than a real place - but that is only because I haved moved > so many times in my life that I sometimes have difficulties to put > all the places in the correct order ;-)) > So I simply call the place home that I am living in right now an > where I keep my personal stuff -and of course home is where my wife > is ... > To be honest I never really understand the people who live abroad for > even much longer than I do and still keep calling the place they > originally come from "home". Where is the point in that ? > If I don't like it where I am right now I should either go forth to > somewhere else or go back where I came from. But for me there is no > point in making a difference in "real" home and "infelt" home -I > would really prefer to have those two homes in one place rather than > two - or even more ... > > Are you sure that you miss the irish chocolate ? > I mean you are so close to Switzerland and all the tasty chocolate > they make and you still miss the irish ones ? > Nothing compares to childhood memories I suppose ... > > Cheers > Bjoern
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Re^5: Der Unterschied
Hi Björn,

it is interesting, this concept of what is "home". I have lived in Germany for 7 years now, 5 of those in Munich, the rest elsewhere in Bavaria. Ireland will remain home for me I think, because the rest of my family is there. I have started a family of my own here in Munich, so this is home too - so it gets confusing!

Although I can chat away in German, my grammar is terrible when I write it, and I have the feeling that I will never master the language properly. I do not feel that I will be ever able to express myself in German as exactly as I can in English. I still miss nuances in the language.

That said, I will probably stay here in Munich now. My son is 4 months old now. And my German girlfriend and I are gettng married in June - and we have built up our lives, and our circle of friends here in Munich. So Munich has become moreof a home too.

As for Irish "chocolate", yes I really miss that. I say "chocolate" because it has a low cocoa content, too low to be officially called chocolate, but it has a different taste. I could get it here if I really wanted to, but I enjoy going back "home" (grin.. to ireland) to try again all those things that I miss. Irish chocolate, irish breakfast, good pints of Guinness, and the craic (irish for fun) with friends and family.

I would say that home is where your friends and family are. So I have two homes.

I hope that you have gotten out of Dublin and have seen some of the more beautiful parts of Ireland! West Cork and Co. Donegal and Co. Clare are my favourites for beauty, and Cork and Galway for the craic (university towns). There too, you will see a different pace of life as in Dublin. People have more time to chat and relax.

I am delighted that you like Dublin. It is difficult to look at your home town without any bias.

cheers (slainte!), viele Grüße,
Andrew

Björn Kleemann schrieb am 17/01/2005, 18:31:
Hi Andrew,

actually I wouldn't say that Dublin is only good in "some" ways - but thats maybe just my personal enthusiasm about this city. And maybe things are different when looking at one's hometown ...

My view on what I call home is a bit different, it is more an inner attitude than a real place - but that is only because I haved moved so many times in my life that I sometimes have difficulties to put all the places in the correct order ;-))
So I simply call the place home that I am living in right now an where I keep my personal stuff -and of course home is where my wife is ...
To be honest I never really understand the people who live abroad for even much longer than I do and still keep calling the place they originally come from "home". Where is the point in that ?
If I don't like it where I am right now I should either go forth to somewhere else or go back where I came from. But for me there is no point in making a difference in "real" home and "infelt" home -I would really prefer to have those two homes in one place rather than two - or even more ...

Are you sure that you miss the irish chocolate ?
I mean you are so close to Switzerland and all the tasty chocolate they make and you still miss the irish ones ?
Nothing compares to childhood memories I suppose ...

Cheers
Bjoern
- 18 Jan 2005, 08:32 am
Andrew Lacy wrote: > Hi Björn, > > it is interesting, this concept of what is "home". I have lived in > Germany for 7 years now, 5 of those in Munich, the rest elsewhere in > Bavaria. Ireland will remain home for me I think, because the rest of > my family is there. I have started a family of my own here in Munich, > so this is home too - so it gets confusing! > > Although I can chat away in German, my grammar is terrible when I > write it, and I have the feeling that I will never master the > language properly. I do not feel that I will be ever able to express > myself in German as exactly as I can in English. I still miss nuances > in the language. > > That said, I will probably stay here in Munich now. My son is 4 > months old now. And my German girlfriend and I are gettng married in > June - and we have built up our lives, and our circle of friends here > in Munich. So Munich has become moreof a home too. > > As for Irish "chocolate", yes I really miss that. I say "chocolate" > because it has a low cocoa content, too low to be officially called > chocolate, but it has a different taste. I could get it here if I > really wanted to, but I enjoy going back "home" (grin.. to ireland) > to try again all those things that I miss. Irish chocolate, irish > breakfast, good pints of Guinness, and the craic (irish for fun) with > friends and family. > > I would say that home is where your friends and family are. So I have > two homes. > > I hope that you have gotten out of Dublin and have seen some of the > more beautiful parts of Ireland! West Cork and Co. Donegal and Co. > Clare are my favourites for beauty, and Cork and Galway for the craic > (university towns). There too, you will see a different pace of life > as in Dublin. People have more time to chat and relax. > > I am delighted that you like Dublin. It is difficult to look at your > home town without any bias. > > cheers (slainte!), viele Grüße, > Andrew > > Björn Kleemann schrieb am 17/01/2005, 18:31: > > Hi Andrew, > > > > actually I wouldn't say that Dublin is only good in "some" ways - but > > thats maybe just my personal enthusiasm about this city. And maybe > > things are different when looking at one's hometown ... > > > > My view on what I call home is a bit different, it is more an inner > > attitude than a real place - but that is only because I haved moved > > so many times in my life that I sometimes have difficulties to put > > all the places in the correct order ;-)) > > So I simply call the place home that I am living in right now an > > where I keep my personal stuff -and of course home is where my wife > > is ... > > To be honest I never really understand the people who live abroad for > > even much longer than I do and still keep calling the place they > > originally come from "home". Where is the point in that ? > > If I don't like it where I am right now I should either go forth to > > somewhere else or go back where I came from. But for me there is no > > point in making a difference in "real" home and "infelt" home -I > > would really prefer to have those two homes in one place rather than > > two - or even more ... > > > > Are you sure that you miss the irish chocolate ? > > I mean you are so close to Switzerland and all the tasty chocolate > > they make and you still miss the irish ones ? > > Nothing compares to childhood memories I suppose ... > > > > Cheers > > Bjoern
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Re^6: Der Unterschied
Hi Andrew,

the more homes you have the better - in the end it is all about everybodies personal definition of home I would say.
I tend to keep it very close to my current life so there is a big variety of ex-homes but only one real home. And as my family kept on moving after I left "home" they now live in a place I never lived in - so when I am visiting my family now I am hardly more than a guest (I even have to sign their visitors book ;-))

Do you think that you have difficulties of whatever kind in Germany because of your somehow limited language abilities ? I assume that you can easily be identified as "non"-german by some accent (esp. in Bavaria - they would regard even me as a foreigner ;-)) but do you think thats a problem (apart from your own impression of "permanent failure" ;-)) ?
I am just wondering about the question if we germans really fulfil the preconception of being short-spoken and unsociable towards obvious strangers or if this not true at all in real life.
If you are experiencing a warm welcome (for german standards ...), do you think that has a connection to your irish origin ? Because as far as I know Ireland has for the german point of view always some kind of romantic notion to it so the attitude towards irish people might be a lot better than towards other nationalities.
Just an idea and I don't know if its true - but you are obviously closer to this than I am.

Actually we did take the time to see more of Ireland - up to now we have been to the west with Galway, the Burren and Connemara and a little bit south of Dublin in the Wicklow mountains. Unfortunately we haven't had more time yet. But we will definitely spend more time to see as much as we can. Because what we saw up to now was so terrific and beautiful that we definitely MUST see more ;-))

Bye for now
Bjoern
- 18 Jan 2005, 4:49 pm
Björn Kleemann wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > the more homes you have the better - in the end it is all about > everybodies personal definition of home I would say. > I tend to keep it very close to my current life so there is a big > variety of ex-homes but only one real home. And as my family kept on > moving after I left "home" they now live in a place I never lived in > - so when I am visiting my family now I am hardly more than a guest > (I even have to sign their visitors book ;-)) > > Do you think that you have difficulties of whatever kind in Germany > because of your somehow limited language abilities ? I assume that > you can easily be identified as "non"-german by some accent (esp. in > Bavaria - they would regard even me as a foreigner ;-)) but do you > think thats a problem (apart from your own impression of "permanent > failure" ;-)) ? > I am just wondering about the question if we germans really fulfil > the preconception of being short-spoken and unsociable towards > obvious strangers or if this not true at all in real life. > If you are experiencing a warm welcome (for german standards ...), do > you think that has a connection to your irish origin ? Because as far > as I know Ireland has for the german point of view always some kind > of romantic notion to it so the attitude towards irish people might > be a lot better than towards other nationalities. > Just an idea and I don't know if its true - but you are obviously > closer to this than I am. > > Actually we did take the time to see more of Ireland - up to now we > have been to the west with Galway, the Burren and Connemara and a > little bit south of Dublin in the Wicklow mountains. Unfortunately we > haven't had more time yet. But we will definitely spend more time to > see as much as we can. Because what we saw up to now was so terrific > and beautiful that we definitely MUST see more ;-)) > > Bye for now > Bjoern
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Re^7: Der Unterschied
Hi Andrew:

Lemme add just a few bits of my own experience. Firstly I can't get over you missing Irish chocolate, Germany and Switzerland being chocolate central and being that close at hand. And then again: when first I crossed the Channel on my way to Eire (to terminate and stay resident) I met a bunch of teenage girls from Dublin, who just returned from a two-week school excursion (pupil exchange) in France. I asked them about their feelings about it all. No brace yourself: they complained about the food (!) and the fact that there was no peppermint in it!

Anyhow, there's nothing like creamy Guinness in a Dublin pub. I noticed the differences even amongst the various pubs in Dublin and folks say the difference is defined by the cleanliness of the tap and pipes - while clean does NOT mean good. Unfortunately, we don't even know what kind of Guinness we get here in Munich. If it comes to the worst, it's going to be English.

I remember many stories of incidences in Dublin, one of which I want to share: I had a car breakdown but managed to tow my car home. Now in Germany it is usual that people try fixing things themselves before they hire someone to do it. So there I was, dabbling with my car's ignition system and the like. The next day, while I was in the office (I had to take the bus, line 31b), our neighbour Frances spoke to my wife, that she had seen that we had a breakdown, and that she was going shopping and if there was something she could bring for us. I thought, when I heard about it, that this kind of thing wouldn't happen in Germany. And then again - her husband was a guy from Germany. It seems, we are not that different.

I sure hope you have a good time in Germany and maybe we'll meet in a pub some day. Actually, I frequent the "Kilian's" quite frequently and even had a go with one of the live bands last summer, jamming 'Seven drunken nights' with them

Cheers
- 17 Feb 2005, 10:01 pm
Volker Boelsch wrote: > Hi Andrew: > > Lemme add just a few bits of my own experience. Firstly I can't get > over you missing Irish chocolate, Germany and Switzerland being > chocolate central and being that close at hand. And then again: when > first I crossed the Channel on my way to Eire (to terminate and stay > resident) I met a bunch of teenage girls from Dublin, who just > returned from a two-week school excursion (pupil exchange) in France. > I asked them about their feelings about it all. No brace yourself: > they complained about the food (!) and the fact that there was no > peppermint in it! > > Anyhow, there's nothing like creamy Guinness in a Dublin pub. I > noticed the differences even amongst the various pubs in Dublin and > folks say the difference is defined by the cleanliness of the tap and > pipes - while clean does NOT mean good. Unfortunately, we don't even > know what kind of Guinness we get here in Munich. If it comes to the > worst, it's going to be English. > > I remember many stories of incidences in Dublin, one of which I want > to share: I had a car breakdown but managed to tow my car home. Now > in Germany it is usual that people try fixing things themselves > before they hire someone to do it. So there I was, dabbling with my > car's ignition system and the like. The next day, while I was in the > office (I had to take the bus, line 31b), our neighbour Frances spoke > to my wife, that she had seen that we had a breakdown, and that she > was going shopping and if there was something she could bring for us. > I thought, when I heard about it, that this kind of thing wouldn't > happen in Germany. And then again - her husband was a guy from > Germany. It seems, we are not that different. > > I sure hope you have a good time in Germany and maybe we'll meet in a > pub some day. Actually, I frequent the "Kilian's" quite frequently > and even had a go with one of the live bands last summer, jamming > 'Seven drunken nights' with them > > Cheers

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