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Putin and what comes next?
What comes after Putin? I heard various rumors from actually well informed sources here in Moscow.

One is that Jelzin has taken a therapy in China to get his alcohol problem under control and he is back now and stronger than ever. My sources say, he will be a candidate for the next elections. Leaves the question if he gets elected, but that is upon manipulation and Jelzin has financial supporters that would back him.

Two is that Putin is trying to integrate Belarus back into Russia. That would mean we have a new country and therefore new rules for the presidency and could mean extended time for Tsar Putin.

I know both sounds crazy and I am sure you have lots of arguments against them. Let me assure you I got these rumors from some well informed people and its not just street talk.

Let’s discuss ;-)
- 09 Nov 2005, 5:20 pm
Chris Helmbrecht wrote: > What comes after Putin? I heard various rumors from actually well > informed sources here in Moscow. > > One is that Jelzin has taken a therapy in China to get his alcohol > problem under control and he is back now and stronger than ever. My > sources say, he will be a candidate for the next elections. Leaves > the question if he gets elected, but that is upon manipulation and > Jelzin has financial supporters that would back him. > > Two is that Putin is trying to integrate Belarus back into Russia. > That would mean we have a new country and therefore new rules for the > presidency and could mean extended time for Tsar Putin. > > I know both sounds crazy and I am sure you have lots of arguments > against them. Let me assure you I got these rumors from some well > informed people and its not just street talk. > > Let’s discuss ;-)
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Re^3: Putin and what comes next?
A agree with Boris. There is no policital stick-out (evident leader) in Russia. The main, supported by the President, party - Edinaya Rossiya (United Russia) - supresses all feeble attempts of other parties to advance.. They say there is no cencorship in Russia. But there is so called "invisible censorship": the President's invisible arm controls central channels - the main sourse of information for the Russians. These channels promote Putin's policies, elucidate his actions in a positive light. They gradually make Putin Hero of Our Time. Not make, but made. I don't critisize Putin's actions (though sometimes it is quite necessary), I agree that in whole his policy is satisfactory (I mean not bad compared to his predecessors). I just don't like the fact that mass media dictates people what is bad and what is good. The same thing will happen before the future elections. There already exists a worked-out script.. It is so convenient to humbly direct people's choice, to step forth an unknown candidate with snow-white reputation and to present him in most favourable light, using the power and influence of TV channels (and many other sourses). Now the Russians are confused: there are absolutely no candidates, no honourable substitution for the President. But don't worry, the time comes and a substitution will be found. It will be affably proposed by the President and it will be enthusiastically elected by the people. And it will be called the President, the President elected in a democratic country, in free elections.
- 09 Nov 2005, 9:12 pm
Tatyana Yevsukova wrote: > A agree with Boris. There is no policital stick-out (evident leader) > in Russia. The main, supported by the President, party - Edinaya > Rossiya (United Russia) - supresses all feeble attempts of other > parties to advance.. They say there is no cencorship in Russia. But > there is so called "invisible censorship": the President's invisible > arm controls central channels - the main sourse of information for > the Russians. These channels promote Putin's policies, elucidate his > actions in a positive light. They gradually make Putin Hero of Our > Time. Not make, but made. I don't critisize Putin's actions (though > sometimes it is quite necessary), I agree that in whole his policy is > satisfactory (I mean not bad compared to his predecessors). I just > don't like the fact that mass media dictates people what is bad and > what is good. The same thing will happen before the future elections. > There already exists a worked-out script.. It is so convenient to > humbly direct people's choice, to step forth an unknown candidate > with snow-white reputation and to present him in most favourable > light, using the power and influence of TV channels (and many other > sourses). Now the Russians are confused: there are absolutely no > candidates, no honourable substitution for the President. But don't > worry, the time comes and a substitution will be found. It will be > affably proposed by the President and it will be enthusiastically > elected by the people. And it will be called the President, the > President elected in a democratic country, in free elections.
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Re^5: Putin and what comes next?
Opinion polls show the majority of Russians really chose Putin, but the question is wether the statistics is fair or not. God knows. But I still think ordinary opinion is manipulated.. :(
- 10 Nov 2005, 2:55 pm
Tatyana Yevsukova wrote: > Opinion polls show the majority of Russians really chose Putin, but > the question is wether the statistics is fair or not. God knows. But > I still think ordinary opinion is manipulated.. :(
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Re^6: Putin and what comes next?
I believe that any election is manipulated or not democratic, if the values for one candidate are so high and especially above 70%. That was also the statement of the election observers from UN and other organizations at the last elections, but they also added to their reports that they could not witness any direct manipulation, but they believe there is plenty of indirect such as controlling the media, telling people what they should vote in person just before they go make their crosses and other indirect methods. Especially people who are living in rural areas and are not very fond of politics etc. were targeted with these methods. It seems that the governors play a big role in this and that's why Putin wanted to get the right to place them himself, instead of having them elected.
- 10 Nov 2005, 3:22 pm
Chris Helmbrecht wrote: > I believe that any election is manipulated or not democratic, if the > values for one candidate are so high and especially above 70%. That > was also the statement of the election observers from UN and other > organizations at the last elections, but they also added to their > reports that they could not witness any direct manipulation, but they > believe there is plenty of indirect such as controlling the media, > telling people what they should vote in person just before they go > make their crosses and other indirect methods. Especially people who > are living in rural areas and are not very fond of politics etc. were > targeted with these methods. It seems that the governors play a big > role in this and that's why Putin wanted to get the right to place > them himself, instead of having them elected.
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Re^7: Putin and what comes next?
И за кого ж тогда голосовать?!! :)
- 27 Dec 2005, 11:08 pm
Tatyana Yevsukova wrote: > И за кого ж тогда голосовать?!! :)

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